alternatives to super8 ?

[8th Man]

This camera can still be aquired from a Japanese website. They say they found a bunch of never sold units in a warehouse in th U.K.
If I remember right, it was very pricey; maybe in the $3,000 or more range.
I may have considered this, but I've decided to give double super8 a try. Oh and I don;t have a spare 3 grand.
Does anyone have any experience with single8?

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PRM

[blackangus1]

"-you can get a crystal-sync 16mm camera for 2000$ or even less."

On ebay you can usually find a CP16/A self-blimped crystal-sync 24fps-only 16mm camera for around $800-$1200, and/or a CP16/R true reflex crystal camera with variable frame speeds for $1100-$1300. Those are about the cheapest crystal 16mm cameras around...

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[sasounet]

> Does anyone have any experience with single8?

My friend has a ZC1000. In my opinion, it is as good as any Beaulieu. A bit noisy however. The ZC800 (or z800 ??) is not bad either.

The real problem is to find Single8 film in North America. There are some available in Europe and obviously in Japan but nothing here. Maybe if there is enough demand, a dealer could accept to carry some.

Single8 has another advantage compare to the other alternatives; it works with your Super8 projector!

Regards,
Sasounet

[MovieStuff]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sasounet:

The real problem is to find Single8 film in North America. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At this point, a jittery cartridge is as good as no cartridge so lack of availability seems to be common ground here. I think I'll contact Fuji and see what their position is regarding their cassette design. I wonder if it's something that is currently in public domain or if there is still a patent issue with it. I'm speaking off the top of my very sleepy head so I don't really have a plan of any kind. Just rambling....

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff
http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html

[el don]

during those last days the future of super-8 has been discussed a lot, on this board like on many others. Kodak doesn't seems to be a rliable source for any info, so one might be thinking of giving up super-8 and looking around for another format. It's too bad becasue this format is really enjoyable, but the kodak plastic cardtridge are not alloowing us to get the best of it.
So, even if it's already has been discused here, what alternatives do we have? Double super8? 16mm raw stocks? or maybe another super8 brand?

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[gaspode]

There's alway single8, which I've heard, but don't know from experience, is more reliable. Plus the film is almost indestructable, and once out of the catridge is the same format as super8.

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'It comes in Pints?!'

[#Pedro]

I always heard about the top range Fujica and it seems that is equal to the latest Beaulieu models. But film stock is difficult to get and to process (only in Japan) and much more exensive. Check out this infos of a private user: http://home.t-online.de/home/Walter.Wienen/fujica.htm

The Beaulieu 200 ft design compensates all negative points of the Kodak cartrige. Pressure plate, sprocket drives, winding motors, just as 16 mm or DS8. Even better than Single8, as it has sprockets.

DS8 is very good, but there are only one or two camera models, that are very rare and costy, f.e. a Bolex, offered at Wittner. And there was a Canon model, I think. Seems to be very tricky to handle, too. Film stock is not garanteed, as the only color reversal film that I know is the discontinued K25.

200 ft film stock in S8 is currently available at Kahl (EUR 39 for 200 ft) and Kodak (K25, and K40 is going to come), so a 200 ft mag would make sense.

ROGER: how was the mag you made for Fujica? Did ya ever thougt in designing a mag for a standard 200 ft S8 camera, taking advantage of the capstan sound drive as a master for the effective sprocket speed? Here in Germany I found a manufactor for S8 sprockets and rolls. The mag should take the Kodak stock that comes on S8 daylight rolls (same hole as R16 daylight rolls) and the Kahl stock coming on standard S8 reels. What are the mm dimenions for the hole of the 16 mm daylight rolls? The pressure plate could be taken off garage sales Fujicas or ebay Fujicas.

Pedro

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[cameraguy]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by #Pedro:
DS8 is very good, but there are only one or two camera models, that are very rare and costy, f.e. a Bolex, offered at Wittner. And there was a Canon model, I think. Seems to be very tricky to handle, too. Film stock is not garanteed, as the only color reversal film that I know is the discontinued K25.


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I have both the Canon and Bolex and I think the Canon grip is fine. They are both so heavy that handheld shooting should be a last resort if it's a serious project.

I bet once the K25 DS8 dries up someone will start special ordering K40 to replace it.

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[8th Man]

I bet once the K25 DS8 dries up someone will start special ordering K40 to replace it.

This is what I was told by someone at Cameras Pro in Nevada(?)
They also seemed to think they'd have K25 Through 2003 and then Kodak would make DS8 with K40.

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PRM

[el don]

of course the 200ft option would be the best, but it's too expensive, and only available for beaulieu users.
Roger, does the single8 cameras accept super8 film (i mean, not in cartridges of course, but with a modified 200ft magazine)? This would be great to have a single8 camera converted with a 200ft magazine, and use it with our favourite stock. But maybe this would make it more expensive than a 7008 with the beaulieu magazine.

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